Rejecting The Idea Of Temple's 'MAC Haters'
Last week Temple started their season with a 42-7 thrashing of Villanova to win their annual Week 1 game against their crosstown rivals. Last year they took the game 31-24 -- a close affair. The year before that, 'Nova won it 27-24 and TU still went bowling in December.
I think the blowout margin came as a shock to many of us given the recent history of this game, coupled with all the transition that Temple has endured: coaches, quarterbacks and defensive personnel.
Temple Football Forever proprietor Mike Gibson didn't see this as a close game, feeling that all along this was going to be a TU blowout. And it was. His reaction to showboat his prediction was to not only gloat about it, but brand everybody else who didn't predict a blowout as a hater.
Of the 14 MAC websites, including numerous blogs, only eight people picked Temple to beat Villanova and most of those who picked the Owls said it would be a "tight game."
One of the guys said "since Temple lost a ton of talent on defense" and "had a new system" that the Owls would lose to Villanova.
I'm not sure who the 14 MAC websites are, but I do know that we are a MAC website and five of the participants picked Villanova, or 26 percent of the pickers. The guy Gibson mentions is perhaps our SBN friend Tim Riordan whose rationale with Villanova was: "New TU coach, New system and a ton of lost talent on D." But we cannot be sure of this since he chose not to fully attribute the quote and possibly altered it.
I suppose as a fan of a school, one has more of a proclivity for optimism, as would the writers. after I did three guest Akron previews for Ohio State blogs and looked at their recruiting numbers I thought, hey, this team could win six games! That's what happens when you hunker down and focus on one school, sometimes. Gibson thought Temple would blow out Nova, and they did. And they're totally going to move on without Al Golden and be even better. Why did he feel that people didn't predict this?
"I chalk this up to MAC haters. More specifically, Temple haters in the MAC."
So through one week, a writer is going to play the LOLHATERZ card?
Holy crap, nobody knows anything about these teams. That's what's so beautiful about college football. What we did know is that Temple was experiencing transitional points on all three lines of defense, as well as basically the entire coaching staff. Departed were leading receiver Michael Campbell and senior tight end Vaughn Charlton as well as two offensive linemen. The team returned 12 starters from the 2010 team, according to College Football News.
Perhaps there are "haters," whatever nebulous definition that pejorative holds, of Temple. There are also "haters" of Akron, Ball State, BG, Buffalo, CMU, EMU, Kent State, Miami, NIU, Ohio, Toledo and WMU. Nobody likes every team.
Additionally, not everyone can be a favorite to win the MAC East. I think everyone's in agreement that Temple, OHIO and Miami are the three big contenders. Some may add Kent State (and even BG after Week 1) to the pile, but there are some serious leaps of faith to say we think Temple will fall off because we don't like them.
Look, somebody's going to regress if we believe others will improve. If either BG, Buffalo and Akron will improve from one conference win, somebody else has to take the hit. Temple is one of the candidates for all the reasons stated above. Or maybe it's Ohio. Or even Miami. Or maybe that's just the hater in me.
Is this really about something else? Shall we direct our attention to the giant elephant? We all have a suspicion that Temple feels they're better than the MAC simply because their recruits believe they'll return to the Big East someday. I don't think this would ever cloud our judgment in how good Temple football is, because we want the conference to be as good as they can be. Are we going to haze the Owls (our logo does exactly that) because they're not only the newest member but the only football-only guys? Absolutely. The same razzing was given Buffalo until they won a MAC championship. NIU was a laughingstock until they weren't. Marshall instantly shook off doubters because they won right away. MAC fans may never like UCF because of how weird that membership was, not only in geography and brevity but also because of how noncompetitive they were before moving to Conference USA and getting better.
Maybe there are other reasons. But anyone could scrutinize the mentality of the other 12 programs and psychoanalyze their flaws. It's not going to change what they think their football team is going to do.
Going simpler, predictions are fun, harmless exercises. The intent is to make believe expertise is accessible to those who in actuality know nothing. This is why a handful of preseason Top 25 teams end up being terrible. We just don't know, but we're obligated to guess. I picked Ball State to beat Indiana but that was on a whim; those who felt BSU would get blown out by the Hoosiers aren't "haters."
So I'm not entirely sure what Gibson was thinking when he decided to fire shots at the rest of the conference like a blind rattlesnake, other than to perhaps brag about his correct prediction of the Villanova game. Seems excessive. It may have been more helpful if he attributed quotes rather than building an argument around bad quotes and ambiguous generalizations.
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But I don't even like wearing hats....
In all seriousness and to be completely honest, being an NIU fan and living in Chicago, I some times forget that Temple is even in the MAC. With being football-only and being so far removed from me, both geographically and divisionally, I just forget about them.
Maybe I am a hater and just didn’t realize it.
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
I'm not sure if I'm a Temple "hater"
But I’m pretty sure that running a website called “Temple Football Forever” is the biggest display of self-loathing I’ve seen on the internet this week.
Rick Chryst must have been on one hell of a bender when he decided that Temple for football only was a good idea.
Et Universitatis Ohioensis delenda est!
Rick Chryst
is a hairball floating in a sea of pus.
If Temple is hated in the MAC, it’s because they consistently have insisted that they’re deserving of bigger and better things. In fact, they’re the only MAC school that has conclusively proven that they’re not deserving of anything more.
Handbags at dawn, sirrah.
I have no opinion towards Temple..
Although I’m grateful for our seven wins against them.
What I am beginning to hate is Temple fans’ undeserved sense of superiority over the rest of the MAC when they can’t even win the weaker division of the conference.
"the weaker division of the conference"?
The East and West have split the last ten MAC titles evenly.
And, since it’s Temple, I guess I shoudn’t shift sports on you, but it would be nice if some of y’all over there started fielding basketball teams.
Et Universitatis Ohioensis delenda est!
Oh now you've done it

You’ve pointed out to a WMU fan that the East has won as many titles as the west over the past six years. Prepare for a litany of meaningless comparisons based on over cross division records which don’t account for the fact that Football is not a round robin cross divisional sport..
I'm not about to sit and belabor the point again.
If you want to hitch your wagon to the six game sample size of the MAC championship game, go right ahead. Just know that it doesn’t make any sense.
by WMUpilot on Sep 9, 2011 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
The sad thing...
Temple was booted from the Big East and now sits there looking all doe-eyed at the conference, saying take us back.
Yes, the Owls have come a long way in the few years since they were the doormat of the Big East. But the level of competition changed for them. They were finally on a playing field that made sense.
But to beg for the conference to take them back is just pathetic.
If that makes me a hater, then fine. But if you want to brand haters, then look around all of Philadelphia. It was a running joke how bad the Temple football team was. They were basically ignored, or openly mocked on the nightly news.
The only time Temple was mentioned was when someone was shot on campus, or the basketball team was good (or when John Chaney tried to rip John Calipari’s head off, which was awesome. “I kill you!”).
Temple is the ultimate after thought, even in its own city. And I went to Drexel; even we got more publicity.
Then again, maybe it has gained some cache these days. After all, it was a backdrop for the last few episodes of Friday Night Lights.
Think Coach Taylor could get them a little more respect? Clear eyes, full hearts…
My Take...
I’m almost Certain Gibson was calling me out, and he was dead on about how wrong I was. The rest of the piece is Mike being Mike. The guy is deliriously high on Owl droppings! He gets away with it (I mean that in a good way) because he is a damn talented author, really! So he can be constantly dismissive of the conference while sounding smart.
That’s why I like him and that’s why I read his stuff, trying to learn the trade a bit.
But keep in mind that two or three times in the past few years Temple Football Forever has pushed the “Thank god we’re getting out of the MAC”. There was the infamous ’move imminent because of a rice AD tweet) and then a few weeks ago the Big East was going to pick up Temple.
I submit that Gibson hates the MAC a whole lot more than anyone in the MAC hates Temple. He likes it the way a person might like their shanty. He finds quaint little things about it but really resents being in it.
I am a Temple Hater...but that's football
I hate Temple…our first game of the Turner Gill glory era was an overtime win…over Temple
Our signature moment arguably (the other being “the fumble” vs ball state) is the hail mary…over Temple.
I don’t mind their Big East desires…because I think Buffalo would fit better in the Big East as well, can’t blame them for that.
I hate that Temple beat us twice, embarrassingly, after being the auto win on our schedule for a few years.
I hate Temple’s hype as the next big MAC team, despite never winning. I wish the national media would focus on the MAC and give other teams credit…thank god for Hustle Belt.
Buffalo has a East Coast mindset, so we’ll always be more passionate about games in Boston, NYC and Philly, then much closer games in Akron and Kent. So our students hate Philly, and hate Boston, and I think we’ll continue to hate Temple and UMass… but that’s fun, that’s football.
Embrace the hate it means your winning, or whining, or in this case both.
Kent State, Temple, Akron too, they can't do it like we do.
Falcons, Bobcats and Redhawks talk a lot can't back it up.

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